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26 May 2015, 19:27
Hacking phones was "systematic'' at the News of the World, the perjury trial of the newspaper's former editor has heard.
James Weatherup, a one-time news editor at the tabloid, also told the High Court in Edinburgh that Andy Coulson "would have known'' a private investigator employed by the now-defunct paper was a phone hacker.
Coulson, 47, a past editor of the Sunday tabloid and the Prime Minister's former director of communications, is on trial accused of lying under oath in the 2010 perjury trial of ex-Socialist MSP Tommy Sheridan.
Prosecutors allege that Coulson falsely stated that, before the arrest of private investigator Glenn Mulcaire and News of the World journalist Clive Goodman in 2006, he did not know that Mr Goodman was involved in phone hacking with Mr Mulcaire. He denies the charges.
Mr Weatherup, who was giving evidence on the seventh day of the trial, told the court he was appointed to the post of news editor in 2004 when Coulson was the editor.
The witness pleaded guilty to a charge of phone hacking in 2013 and was given a suspended sentence of four months, the court heard.
Mr Weatherup told the court that, a few days into his new role at the paper, he was asked to cut its budget and began to question a payment made to Mr Mulcaire's company, Nine Consultancy.
The salary was about £92,000 - more than the reporters were paid, the witness told the court.
Asked by advocate depute Richard Goddard, prosecuting, if he inquired who was getting the money, he replied: "I was told it was a private investigator called Glenn Mulcaire and I had to work with him.''
He said managing editor Stuart Kuttner made the comment to him.
On the payment to the consultancy, which Mr Weatherup described as a "huge sum'', he said: "I didn't see the point of having a private investigator being paid full-time for things.
"If you needed things done I thought it would be better and cheaper to be done ad hoc.''
The witness said he later raised the issue with Coulson in his office and told him "we didn't need Glenn Mulcaire on the payroll''.
Mr Weatherup said Coulson told him to "see Stuart''. The witness insisted "there was no appetite to get rid of him (Mulcaire)'' by senior management.
Mr Weatherup said he himself was not aware initially but soon found out that Mr Mulcaire "was a phone hacker'' and had used his services 137 times, but not all for phone hacking.
Mr Goddard asked Mr Weatherup: "From what you yourself witnessed, did Mr Coulson appear to be aware or not that Mr Mulcaire was hacking phones?''
"Hacking phones was systematic at the News of the World,'' he replied.
"Did Mr Coulson appear or not to know that Mr Mulcaire was hacking phones?''
"Andy would have known that Mulcaire was hacking phones,'' the witness replied.